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	<description>There is no contradiction between the Word of God and the Act of God</description>
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		<title>Comment on The Arabic Galen – Abu Bakr Zakariya Al-Razi by Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2012/03/08/the-arabic-galen-abu-bakr-zakariya-al-razi/#comment-1289</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anonymous]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 May 2013 07:02:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not an ARAB.  He was an Iranian/Persian man...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not an ARAB.  He was an Iranian/Persian man&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eternity and God by Nomaan</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2013/02/25/eternity-and-god/#comment-1140</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nomaan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2013 16:42:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By The grace of Allah this is an excellent article. You have showcased the perfect teachings of the Holy Quran and the excellent explanations delivered by the Hadhrat Muhammad Rasuallah’ (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) greatest and most obedient servant, the promised messiah (on him be peace). I want the podcast, DVD and T-shirt of this article, MashAllah very well written.
I look forward to the follow up comments.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By The grace of Allah this is an excellent article. You have showcased the perfect teachings of the Holy Quran and the excellent explanations delivered by the Hadhrat Muhammad Rasuallah’ (Peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) greatest and most obedient servant, the promised messiah (on him be peace). I want the podcast, DVD and T-shirt of this article, MashAllah very well written.<br />
I look forward to the follow up comments.</p>
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		<title>Comment on AMRA members on BBC Evolution Debate by Tayyab Pirzada (@MCAcidFlow)</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/amra-members-on-bbc-evolution-debate/#comment-1127</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tayyab Pirzada (@MCAcidFlow)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 14:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bear in mind brothers that we do not believe the human being evolved from apes, but take apes and humans to be a product of convergent evolution. The Promised Messiah (as) mocked the idea of humans evolving from apes, and both Khalifa IV (rh) and V (aba) have said they deny the specific concept of humans and chimpanzees having a recent common ancestor (I can provide video evidence).

We believe that humans are the descendants of another animal in another lineage (not apes). New research has been recently done, by a researcher at my university, that may provide an alternative common ancestor of humans:
http://news.utoronto.ca/our-furry-scampering-common-ancestor

Bearing that in mind, there are contradictory articles on alislam. Some claim (as is the correct Ahmadi view) that we believe in all facets of evolution other than the atheist doctrine of blind chance and apes being involved in the evolutionary lineage of humans. However others, I have read, actually try to defend the idea that humans and chimpanzees have a recent common ancestor, a heterodox view from that of our Khulafa&#039; which diverges from what they have said (although of course a credible opinion by a person. I am not stating that we should enforce views, or that even the Khulafa&#039; have independent authority on all matters scientific).

Why both types of articles which are clearly contradictory are on alislam I don&#039;t know. Perhaps one of you should contact the alislam lads. lol]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind brothers that we do not believe the human being evolved from apes, but take apes and humans to be a product of convergent evolution. The Promised Messiah (as) mocked the idea of humans evolving from apes, and both Khalifa IV (rh) and V (aba) have said they deny the specific concept of humans and chimpanzees having a recent common ancestor (I can provide video evidence).</p>
<p>We believe that humans are the descendants of another animal in another lineage (not apes). New research has been recently done, by a researcher at my university, that may provide an alternative common ancestor of humans:<br />
<a href="http://news.utoronto.ca/our-furry-scampering-common-ancestor" rel="nofollow">http://news.utoronto.ca/our-furry-scampering-common-ancestor</a></p>
<p>Bearing that in mind, there are contradictory articles on alislam. Some claim (as is the correct Ahmadi view) that we believe in all facets of evolution other than the atheist doctrine of blind chance and apes being involved in the evolutionary lineage of humans. However others, I have read, actually try to defend the idea that humans and chimpanzees have a recent common ancestor, a heterodox view from that of our Khulafa&#8217; which diverges from what they have said (although of course a credible opinion by a person. I am not stating that we should enforce views, or that even the Khulafa&#8217; have independent authority on all matters scientific).</p>
<p>Why both types of articles which are clearly contradictory are on alislam I don&#8217;t know. Perhaps one of you should contact the alislam lads. lol</p>
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		<title>Comment on AMRA members on BBC Evolution Debate by Umar N.</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2013/02/05/amra-members-on-bbc-evolution-debate/#comment-1123</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Umar N.]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 17 Feb 2013 18:12:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with you in that we of course believe evolution occurred, but that to draw atheistic conclusions from it is certainly incorrect. And I would think/hope the Ahmadis you met are certainly one-offs! Darwin was of course just a scientist, it is his present day &#039;followers&#039; that ascribe atheistic beliefs to evolution, which as Khalifa Rabe (rh) points out in the chapters linked above is absurd. Especially when it was early Muslims that first described Natural Selection! Said Al-Jahiz in the 9th century:

&quot;Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring.&quot;
 
I&#039;ll actually post a really good article on alislam and Evolution and the Hand of God.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you in that we of course believe evolution occurred, but that to draw atheistic conclusions from it is certainly incorrect. And I would think/hope the Ahmadis you met are certainly one-offs! Darwin was of course just a scientist, it is his present day &#8216;followers&#8217; that ascribe atheistic beliefs to evolution, which as Khalifa Rabe (rh) points out in the chapters linked above is absurd. Especially when it was early Muslims that first described Natural Selection! Said Al-Jahiz in the 9th century:</p>
<p>&#8220;Animals engage in a struggle for existence; for resources, to avoid being eaten and to breed. Environmental factors influence organisms to develop new characteristics to ensure survival, thus transforming into new species. Animals that survive to breed can pass on their successful characteristics to offspring.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll actually post a really good article on alislam and Evolution and the Hand of God.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our universe. Order or chaos? by Tauseef Khan</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/our-universe-order-or-chaos/#comment-1118</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tauseef Khan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 18:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atheists while appearing to be &#039;clean slate&#039; are actually as dogmatic or probably more than a religious person. Their dogma is that God does not exist and anyone who has ever claimed to have come from God to be an imposter and following a religion is a folly. These atheists have made up their own criteria of what they would believe - and the subtle God of Islam does not show Himself with such crudeness as the atheists demand. Actually this is their way of getting rid of the religious people as many have decided not to believe. The root of the problem is that they don&#039;t see or realise the void of spirituality within them. Their world works well, they have jobs, there is food at the table, they have money to spend on entertainment. Why would they turn towards religion! Proofs would not move them much as their nafs (self) is under a deep ocean of darkness. They have closed the window with their own hands to keep the light out making the light of Quran appear like a dull speck to them rather than the blazing sun it should be. 
The solution is to keep reminding them - as it is the instruction in the Holy Quran - pray for them and then leave it to Allah if they wish to be guided.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atheists while appearing to be &#8216;clean slate&#8217; are actually as dogmatic or probably more than a religious person. Their dogma is that God does not exist and anyone who has ever claimed to have come from God to be an imposter and following a religion is a folly. These atheists have made up their own criteria of what they would believe &#8211; and the subtle God of Islam does not show Himself with such crudeness as the atheists demand. Actually this is their way of getting rid of the religious people as many have decided not to believe. The root of the problem is that they don&#8217;t see or realise the void of spirituality within them. Their world works well, they have jobs, there is food at the table, they have money to spend on entertainment. Why would they turn towards religion! Proofs would not move them much as their nafs (self) is under a deep ocean of darkness. They have closed the window with their own hands to keep the light out making the light of Quran appear like a dull speck to them rather than the blazing sun it should be.<br />
The solution is to keep reminding them &#8211; as it is the instruction in the Holy Quran &#8211; pray for them and then leave it to Allah if they wish to be guided.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our universe. Order or chaos? by Taha Nasser</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Taha Nasser]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you really have found atheists that are a clean slate then good on you. I&#039;ve yet to come across one, most of them seem to walk around with the &#039;I reject Christianity, therefore any religion is false&#039; mindset.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you really have found atheists that are a clean slate then good on you. I&#8217;ve yet to come across one, most of them seem to walk around with the &#8216;I reject Christianity, therefore any religion is false&#8217; mindset.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our universe. Order or chaos? by safeer ahmad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[safeer ahmad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2013 17:30:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The amount of knowledge everywhere in this era of the info boom, the learned want to have nothing whatsoever to do with medieval theology. Therefore, not finding conformity in religion with what the scientists see or even experience, they would rather be counted among the atheists than the ignorant. That is to say, that today atheism means or stands for love for knowledge, and religion to be a mark of something far, far worse than ignorance - perhaps fanaticism in the form of terrorism.

A Muslim, in the real sense, has an uphill task to convince an atheist that Scriptures&#039; correct interpretation coincides with the most recent of scientific discoveries. Alas, the word of a handful does not convince in the presence of the polluted ocean.

A clean slate is easier to write on; today&#039;s atheists are that clean slate. They can readily be convinced by observing what Islam preaches being put into practice; mere arguments cannot stand the mountainous tides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The amount of knowledge everywhere in this era of the info boom, the learned want to have nothing whatsoever to do with medieval theology. Therefore, not finding conformity in religion with what the scientists see or even experience, they would rather be counted among the atheists than the ignorant. That is to say, that today atheism means or stands for love for knowledge, and religion to be a mark of something far, far worse than ignorance &#8211; perhaps fanaticism in the form of terrorism.</p>
<p>A Muslim, in the real sense, has an uphill task to convince an atheist that Scriptures&#8217; correct interpretation coincides with the most recent of scientific discoveries. Alas, the word of a handful does not convince in the presence of the polluted ocean.</p>
<p>A clean slate is easier to write on; today&#8217;s atheists are that clean slate. They can readily be convinced by observing what Islam preaches being put into practice; mere arguments cannot stand the mountainous tides.</p>
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		<title>Comment on AMRA members on BBC Evolution Debate by raza</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[raza]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Feb 2013 17:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[why can&#039;t we be a liitle less tough on darwin.Rather than saying that we reject darwian evolution why can&#039;t we just say that the word &#039;nature&#039; in darwinian evolution is ,for us, the hand of God i.e His attributes.I have seen some ahmadies completely subscribing to creationist/semi-creationist versions of evolution just in a bid to deny natural selection or Darwin.When actually the right way to interpret Quran is by subscribing to a similar journey of evolution, in which speicies including humans originated and evolved through a common ancestor rather separately.I think that darwin laid down the evoltionary process right just derived a wrong conclusion]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why can&#8217;t we be a liitle less tough on darwin.Rather than saying that we reject darwian evolution why can&#8217;t we just say that the word &#8216;nature&#8217; in darwinian evolution is ,for us, the hand of God i.e His attributes.I have seen some ahmadies completely subscribing to creationist/semi-creationist versions of evolution just in a bid to deny natural selection or Darwin.When actually the right way to interpret Quran is by subscribing to a similar journey of evolution, in which speicies including humans originated and evolved through a common ancestor rather separately.I think that darwin laid down the evoltionary process right just derived a wrong conclusion</p>
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		<title>Comment on AMSA by nabeel</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/amsa/#comment-950</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[nabeel]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[yes you are rite]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yes you are rite</p>
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		<title>Comment on Our universe. Order or chaos? by Tayyab Pirzada (@MCAcidFlow)</title>
		<link>http://thebeerevelation.wordpress.com/2012/11/06/our-universe-order-or-chaos/#comment-828</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tayyab Pirzada (@MCAcidFlow)]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2012 02:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Correct! Also, Dr. Stenger saying that we don&#039;t really know that much about dark energy and therefore this somehow proves that the Universe is unordered, is downright unscientific. That isn&#039;t scientific correlation nor causation. He is simply saying that we have ignorance in a subject and making a scientific hypothesis about another thing due to our ignorance in that subject...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correct! Also, Dr. Stenger saying that we don&#8217;t really know that much about dark energy and therefore this somehow proves that the Universe is unordered, is downright unscientific. That isn&#8217;t scientific correlation nor causation. He is simply saying that we have ignorance in a subject and making a scientific hypothesis about another thing due to our ignorance in that subject&#8230;</p>
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